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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 12:34:47 GMT -5
OOC: Well out of the two nations you listed (Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary) really the only thing that would hurt me slightly is the loss of Austria Hungary as an ally. Mainly because he's right by me. But the loss of Austria-Hungary as an ally, is made up by Serbia, Rumania, and most of all; the United States. Which over all, puts me with more of an advantage than the RL German Empire had. Well Rumania and Serbia is cut off as Rumania is in War with Austria Hungry. Serbia is indanger of falling to me. That makes you fight alone. And will the United States stay true to the Alliance? You say that he will, what if he won't? I went through these before I decided to help Britian. Oh, and I'm out for blood here too. You helped Italy and Bulgeria so this is nothing more then an old hrudge that needs settling. edit: One more thing, Serbia hasn't posted anything since the 7th of this month.
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Post by Germany on Oct 15, 2004 12:40:27 GMT -5
Well Rumania and Serbia is cut off as Rumania is in War with Austria Hungry. Serbia is indanger of falling to me. That makes you fight alone. And will the United States stay true to the Alliance? You say that he will, what if he won't? I went through these before I decided to help Britian. Oh, and I'm out for blood here too. You helped Italy and Bulgeria so this is nothing more then an old hrudge that needs settling. edit: One more thing, Serbia hasn't posted anything since the 7th of this month. OOC: I know the United States personally. We entered this war allied, and we're going to exit this war allied. It is true that Rumania is at war with Austria, but the sad this is; is that Rumania is winning---so far. That just shows how important an ally Austria is[/sarcasm] (no offense Austria) It's just the level of realism of this that sets me off the most. If you Britain didn't help his closest allies, at a time when there is no NAP; then there is no way in hell that Britain would jump at the chance to break a NAP to defend a country that he would be willing to invade himself. (I feel like I'm repeating myself here)
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Post by Afghanistan on Oct 15, 2004 12:56:03 GMT -5
OOC: I think that a "British will fall" statement ICly is a good RP point, however that doesn't make it true. Battles in eastern Europe threaten to change the fronts in a European war. Africa's up for grabs. If America tries to support Germany I predict a war for control of the Atlantic. With the forces and nations in Asia there is probably another campaign there before the war is over.
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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 12:59:56 GMT -5
OOC: I know the United States personally. We entered this war allied, and we're going to exit this war allied. It is true that Rumania is at war with Austria, but the sad this is; is that Rumania is winning---so far. That just shows how important an ally Austria is[/sarcasm] (no offense Austria) It's just the level of realism of this that sets me off the most. If you Britain didn't help his closest allies, at a time when there is no NAP; then there is no way in hell that Britain would jump at the chance to break a NAP to defend a country that he would be willing to invade himself. (I feel like I'm repeating myself here) This is true, the only country he tried to defend was Greece. The Belguim Alliance failed strictly because I was the only thing holding it togeather as sad as that might sound. I know hw wanted Netherlands, but I beleive he's doing it just to get this game going because of how slow and boring it is. Austria did somthing stupied, he did not wait for his troops from South America to return and didn't talk to his allies. I did the same thing, the only thing I got going for me and him is superior Navy power. This and superior armored veicles which is sad. The US, might or might not join. Is it in his best intreast? Well we have to wait and see.
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Post by Great Britain on Oct 15, 2004 15:46:40 GMT -5
mpOoc: Yeah the board was feeling dull. And a Large-scale war was needed to make it feel busy again like it did in the begining. Plus for the WHole France thread I was contiuously confused, Because of all the Frances coming and going. I'm not sending troops to a country going through constant change of ownership. What if A guy joined whose goal was to ally with Germany and kick Britain's ass? That would be realistic [/Sarcasm].
And your thing with the U.S. He isn't rping right. I'm not sure has to how he can be your ally right now or help you in any war. There is a little thing called the Monroe Doctrine. Then there's the fact many Americans don't want anything to do with stuff going on in Europe. And I don't think many Americans side with the Germans.
Also yes Japan would be rebelling but I don't own any of hist territory except in China. And what's up when the U.S. invaded Canada and completely took it over there should have been both Canadian and American protest. So where is it? Then next was Mexico. Where's the Mexcian and American Protest for that? Seriously what the hell? We need to stop ignoring all these rebellions and actually RP them.
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Post by Germany on Oct 15, 2004 15:53:24 GMT -5
And your thing with the U.S. He isn't rping right. I'm not sure has to how he can be your ally right now or help you in any war. There is a little thing called the Monroe Doctrine. Then there's the fact many Americans don't want anything to do with stuff going on in Europe. And I don't think many Americans side with the Germans. OOC: well like I said at the begening of the forum and as I've been saying since it opened, is that RL relations and foreign policies dont exist in this forum, or else it would be better just to pick up a history book and read it. You complain about how the United States wouldn't help Germany and such? Well what about Austria-Hungary siding with Russia? And Ottoman Empire? The United States being pro-Germany isn't the only unrealistic thing on here. RL foreign policies dont exist here. So quit your complainin'.
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Post by Great Britain on Oct 15, 2004 16:06:11 GMT -5
OOC: well like I said at the begening of the forum and as I've been saying since it opened, is that RL relations and foreign policies dont exist in this forum, or else it would be better just to pick up a history book and read it. You complain about how the United States wouldn't help Germany and such? Well what about Austria-Hungary siding with Russia? And Ottoman Empire? The United States being pro-Germany isn't the only unrealistic thing on here. RL foreign policies dont exist here. So quit your complainin'. Then your France agrument isn't so valid. I mean having France around would help but It wouldn't led to the Fall of Britain. Thats like saying Austria-Hungary isn't your ally so It will lead to the Fall of the German Empire. Ohhh I'm am the Ghost of Prince Bulcher you must obey me.. ok screw the ghost part. But still saying you don't have Austria on your side so it will lead to your downfall is the same as saying I have France so now your screwed.
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Post by Germany on Oct 15, 2004 18:18:27 GMT -5
Then your France agrument isn't so valid. I mean having France around would help but It wouldn't led to the Fall of Britain. Thats like saying Austria-Hungary isn't your ally so It will lead to the Fall of the German Empire. Ohhh I'm am the Ghost of Prince Bulcher you must obey me.. ok screw the ghost part. But still saying you don't have Austria on your side so it will lead to your downfall is the same as saying I have France so now your screwed. OOC: No that's not true, because insted of Austria being my ally, I now have the United States.
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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 18:26:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but who replaces ottoman?
Plus instead of france, Britian has ottoman and Austria. So let's just shyt up about it and play intead of argue over a stupied point that makes no diffrence.
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Post by Germany on Oct 17, 2004 0:12:56 GMT -5
BERLIN, GERMANY
"So, could this be political pressure on the Austrians?" said the Kaiser to one of his Generals. In a meeting that was called upon the news of Austria-Hungarian troops pulling out of Switzerland.
"Could be, I guess the Austrians saw that some of their freinds dissaproved of his invasion of a neutral country. That is the only conclusion I can make of this sudden fall back of Austria troops." Said one of the Kaiser's top advisors.
The meeting was quiet as they thought up conclusions and how the German Government should react to the actions of Austria Hungary. What should the German Government do? If anything? Would they take this as a shot at peace and pull out of Holland? Or would they see this as an opertunity to grab the Swiss by the balls and claim it German territory? The Kaiser certainly didn't want to have to keep up with another country to occupy. He thought that Belgium and France were hard enough to control, but Switzerland would change a lot of faces.
"I say we do it!" Declared one of the Kaiser's best military stratigists. "This is our chance! We should be throwing troops into Switzerland and take it while we have the chance!"
The Kaiser looked over at him and said, "General, have you gone mad? We're already focused on multiple occupations, not to mention war threats from Great Britain! I think that this situation is a no brainer. We should grasp this situation as a chance for peace! We should pull out of Holland, sign a NAP with them, and send aid to Switzerland to prevent a future invasion again by the Austrians. Besides, the whole point of taking Holland was to provide an even better location to surround the British just incase a war were to occur between us! Now it's because of the war in Netherlands will the British go to war. I've made up my mind General, order the fall back to Germany. I shall send a telegram to London and Amsterdam for peace talks. That will be all." And with that, the meeting concluded and it's members stood up to leave the room.
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[Telegram] [To: London, England; King of the British Empire, Edward VII] [From: Berlin, Germany; Kaiser Wilhelm II of the German Empire]
To the King of Great Britain,
Upon hearing the full retreat of Austrian forces from Switzerland; I, Kaiser Wilhelm II felt that it was nessisary to pull out of Netherlands in an effort of peace. I wish to call a meeting between, you, the leader of Netherlands, and I. About a possible NAP between the German Empire and Netherlands, and prehaps the British Empire.
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Post by Great Britain on Oct 17, 2004 2:01:21 GMT -5
The Prime Minster calls a meeting now for this next letter. Everyone is in a weird state of Frenzy. Nobody thought that Germany would pull out of the Netherlands.
The Prime Minster spoke first "Well I guess we have to pull out all troops in Germany Territory."
"But why!" Said one of his staff members " We should keep up the attack on Germany. This coul be for all the territory Germany took."
""I will not fight Germany over a in issue that has already been settled. Mail the Germans that we will comply and all forces in German territory will be pulled back. The king supports my decision on this." Replied a deterimined Prime Minster
"But Sir what about Operation C-Burn?" questioned another Staff member.
"When I said that, I really men pull out all forces that Germany knows about." Replied the Prime Minster " Just mail the letter for right now!"
[To Berlin, Germany; Kaiser Wilhelm II]
Esteemed Kaiser,
I the King and also one of your Cousins has been convinced along with the Prime Inster. We will pull out are troops in Germany territory and will declare a state of peace between us.
Signed, King of Great Britain ,Edward VII (your cousin)
Ooc: In case of those who didn't know most of the Monarchs during WWI were related. Sad that family relations broke down and evolved into a War. The Russian czar sent a letter to his cousin the Kaiser telling him to stop this madness right before the war started.
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Post by Germany on Oct 17, 2004 9:08:46 GMT -5
OOC: lol! I did not know that!
Well do we even need a meeting? Or would you just sign something?
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Post by Great Britain on Oct 18, 2004 10:27:52 GMT -5
Ooc: Would both be ok? I would like a treaty that protects Netherland neutrality now. Like nobody can be involved in Dutch issues (at Home and abroad).
Also most of them were cousins because of Queen Victoria. She had a hope that having all the rulers of Europe becoming relatives would promote peace, unfortunatley it did just the opposite.
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Post by Persia on Oct 18, 2004 18:37:05 GMT -5
OCC: Ya know, back when I was Belgium woulda been a great time to help suport me. Now I'm Persia, and I'm on the flip side.
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