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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 16:08:12 GMT -5
Ooc: Can I play as French, Belguim, and any other countries under German control that should be trying to Rebel against you right now. OOC: No, mainly because I dont find it fair that I would have to be facing a civilian resistance when there is no resistance in Japan (which the Japanese would be very rebellious). And there are is no resistance in Italy, ect.
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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 16:09:29 GMT -5
Your population total may be larger but the majority is sitting across the atlantic. OOC: What are you talking about "across the atlantic"? I added up the population of my homeland, in Europe.
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Post by Greece on Oct 14, 2004 16:17:06 GMT -5
OOC: No, mainly because I dont find it fair that I would have to be facing a civilian resistance when there is no resistance in Japan (which the Japanese would be very rebellious). And there are is no resistance in Italy, ect. Only one thing, Japan never surrendered, and Italy through a hissy fit and signed it over to us.
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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 16:24:37 GMT -5
Only one thing, Japan never surrendered, and Italy through a hissy fit and signed it over to us. OOC: You still invaded. Just because Japan didn't surrender doesn't mean there wouldn't be a resistance. Netherlands, Belgium, and France; they all quit before the official end of the war. Same situation in Italy, only it's worse, because France didn't quit out of anger, he just went unactive. The war was actually close the end in my invasions before they surrendered, Italy gave up at the beginning of the war.
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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 16:33:42 GMT -5
OOC: Example?
IC: The German Empire is open to any sort of agreement or peace treaty with the nations of Greece, Great Britian, and Ottoman Empire. Though depending on the content of the offers, the German Government might not sign it.
OOC: I'm busy with something else right now that's not RPing, and will have to come back to this either tommarow morning, or tonight sometime.
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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 20:47:31 GMT -5
Berlin, Germany
"So what are you suggesting General?" Said the Kaiser.
He was in a meeting along with his top military leaders and advisors. It was called immediately after hearing the declaration of war on the German Empire by Great Britain, interupting the Kaiser's dinner.
"Well sir, I'm suggesting that either we halt all attacks on Netherlands and sign a peace treaty with the Moscow Pact--" The General paused to look at the Kaiser directly in the eye, "--or total commitment."
The Kaiser knew what he ment. He never wished a war between the German Empire and the British Empire would happen. But it seams that way thus far.
"Well General, I think we can rule pulling out of the Netherlands out!" Said the Kaiser
"Why's that sir?"
"Well just look at the facts General! The British would be helping us if anything! The Moscow Pact was ready go to war with the Dutch. The British was ready to launch a full scale attack along with their Russian freinds. I doubt this is about Netherlands General--The British just stood by when their two closest allies, Belgium and France got blown to bits by the German Empire. Now they want to risk their own nation's fate? Now all of a sudden--they give up peace and put their lives on the line for the Dutch!?" The Kaiser rested back in his chair and took a deep sigh while holding a pipe in his mouth. "It's more than meets the eye. Looks like we're going to have to declare war on the British, and in turn on the Ottoman Empire, and on the Greeks." Stated the Kaiser
The meeting table fell silent after the Kaiser's input on the whole happenings. Untill moments later one of his top advisors broke the silence. "General, what's the estimates if the Berlin Pact were to go to war with the Moscow Pact?"
The General sighed before speaking. "Well, it would be a hell of a war no doubt about that. The British would probably be the first to strike, then the Greeks from Austria. Then Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans would jump in. Both sides would loose heavy casualties no doubt about it, but in the end, the Berlin Pact has the ultimate advantage and the probability of winning the war" proclaimed the General
"But didn't the Austrians drop out of the Moscow Pact?"
"Yes, they did. But they have ties with the Moscow Pact nations, and the probability of them entering the war is high." the General answered, before turning to the Kaiser to continue, "The Berlin Pact out numbers the Moscow Pact by far. But the problem isn't in numbers your majesty, it's the location of Germany." He said while turning to a giant map of Europe located before him. On it, shows military strong points of Germany and now knewly aquired, German occupied France. On it, had possible MP strike points. And how they were being reinforced as they speak. "As you can see, we're surrounded." He said before continuing; "DEF-HG alert status was on high, as soon as British declaration of war was released. The Scenario 6 standard procedure is to alert the front line troops, and call in soldiers for duty. What it does is once a declaration of war has been announced on Germany, DEF-HG forces will be alerted of Scenario 6, and will carry out Scenario 6 procedures, which pretty much puts Germany in a giant lock box." The General paused for a moment as he pulled GCI weather reports out of a folder he had laying in front of him.
"Weather patterns today-55 °F, Humidity: 86%, Dew Point: 51 °F / 11 °C, Wind: 7 mph / 11 km/h from the South, Pressure: 29.53 in / 1000 hPa, Visibility: 6.0 miles / 9.7 kilometers- suggest a British air raid as a possibility. Also, a naval attack is most likley from the Moscow Pact and the navy has been alerted. So far we're getting no reports from the navy boys of any attacks. It's always calm before the storm sir." The General said.
"Indeed. Well it looks like you guys are doing how I would handle it if I were in your position." Said the Kaiser. "Listen, no military commander has the authorization to launch an attack on MP soil without my permission. We're not the invaders here, the MP is." The Kaiser said, reasuring the meeting audiance that they might real in some neutral countries because of that sole fact; That the MP are the aggressors in this situation. Yes, the German Empire indeed did invade Netherlands, but Netherlands was a previous enemy of the Moscow Pact. Aggresions have only been made against threats to the German Empire, with the exception of Iceland of coarse. But Iceland was a key point in controling the waters. Even though the German Empire had attacked a small, usless (to the MP) country, Great Britain made no attempts to avert the war and end the despute in political and totally peaceful means. Which the Germans of coarse were willing to do.
But the British made no attempt for making peace, obviously letting the world know that they're not agressing toward the German Empire for peace. But for prehaps territorial acquisition , or resources. But the German Empire, hoping for some kind of missconseption of the whole despute, had sent the last hope of peace; a letter to the ruler and king of the British Empire.
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To the leader of the British Empire,
The German Government demands why the British made no attempts for peace and went to war as a first resort. We ask the British Empire what the purpose of this Imperialistic move on the German Empire, which is in contradiction to the treaty of non-agression the Russian Empire and the German Empire had signed. Why would you break a NAP for a nation you were willing to invade yourself?
We ask that you use military force as a last resort, war is not a game.
OOC: Kind of itonic, because in this case it is a game. But it's not a game, in the RP.
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Post by Greece on Oct 14, 2004 21:47:02 GMT -5
OCC: Yeah and not to mention where you allances are. Serbia and Rumania is surrounded and the US would take weeks for them to reach you. You will be fighting a one man war.
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Post by Germany on Oct 14, 2004 21:56:03 GMT -5
OCC: Yeah and not to mention where you allances are. Serbia and Rumania is surrounded and the US would take weeks for them to reach you. You will be fighting a one man war. OOC: The only forces that threaten me is the British Navy. Everything else is pretty much no match against German forces. The Greeks, no offense to you, are weak, and small in numbers. The Portugese are small and poor. The Spanish are a decent force, but not comparable with the Germans. The Russians, well, the only reason why Germany was threatned by Russia was because they outnumbered them. But the Germans still beat the Russians, and now that I outnumber the russians..well you understand. The fact is, is that no, I wont be fighting a one man war, mainly because a war of this scale doesn't end in weeks, giving the Americans plenty of time to intervene. And even if I was fighting a one man war, I could win. You are definetly over-estimating the alliance full of 3rd world nations (the MP.) With the exception of Britain of coarse. And the only reason why Britain won was because the Americans backed them up, but look who's on my side this time! And because Britain helped stop France from falling to the Germans, and it was said that if France fell, the British would be easily defeated.
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Post by Rumania on Oct 14, 2004 22:09:56 GMT -5
OCC: Yeah and not to mention where you allances are. Serbia and Rumania is surrounded and the US would take weeks for them to reach you. You will be fighting a one man war. You are underestimating the Rumanians determination to win...
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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 9:05:35 GMT -5
OOC: The only forces that threaten me is the British Navy. Everything else is pretty much no match against German forces. The Greeks, no offense to you, are weak, and small in numbers. The Portugese are small and poor. The Spanish are a decent force, but not comparable with the Germans. The Russians, well, the only reason why Germany was threatned by Russia was because they outnumbered them. But the Germans still beat the Russians, and now that I outnumber the russians..well you understand. The fact is, is that no, I wont be fighting a one man war, mainly because a war of this scale doesn't end in weeks, giving the Americans plenty of time to intervene. And even if I was fighting a one man war, I could win. You are definetly over-estimating the alliance full of 3rd world nations (the MP.) With the exception of Britain of coarse. And the only reason why Britain won was because the Americans backed them up, but look who's on my side this time! And because Britain helped stop France from falling to the Germans, and it was said that if France fell, the British would be easily defeated. OCC Well, this is really true. I do have a small force, but japan is in this too on our side. We have an advantage in numbers and if we knew where to strike with them. We would be able to win this. The only problem is knowing exactly that.
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Post by Great Britain on Oct 15, 2004 9:11:03 GMT -5
A young Man runs into the office of the Prime MInster. The Minister is talking with gernerals about there plan of attack.
"Prime Minster! A letter from the Germans!" The boy hurriedly said.
"The Germans!? What the bloody hell could they want?" Said one of the Generals to right of a large map.
The man begins reading the note "To the leader of the British Empire, The German Government demands why the British made no attempts for peace and went to war as a first resort. We ask the British Empire what the purpose of this Imperialistic move on the German Empire, which is in contradiction to the treaty of non-agression the Russian Empire and the German Empire had signed. Why would you break a NAP for a nation you were willing to invade yourself?
We ask that you use military force as a last resort, war is not a game."
"That coming from the desk of a Country invading a country that was in it's coalition."angrily replies the Prime Minster "We made a resort to peace. It was cease the invasion of the Netherlands or face the consquences. We could tolerate Belgium, Canada, Iceland, and even France, But here is where we stand. We can not allow Britain, Spain and Portugal to be the only countreis west of the Rhine to not be under German influence. Send this letter to Germany"
To the Kaiser of Germany
We asked you to pull out of the Netherlands. You refused. In no way can we allow the German occupantion of the Netherlands. If you move your forces out now we will move our toops out of your areas. We may have broken an NAP, but you have broken an alliance by invading a member of you BP. We will countine or war against you unless you pull out of the Netherlands and Iceland.
Ooc: Stop saying that "If France fell Britain would be easily defeated" it was referring to a strategy in the middle of World War I where it was thought that if the French troop morale was broken and they felt defeated then the British would yield to the Germans.
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Post by Germany on Oct 15, 2004 12:18:32 GMT -5
OOC: THis post should end up altering your post. So once you read this, I would like you to edit your post.
First of all, you never said anything about Iceland before. Second of all, Netherlands dropped out of the Berlin Pact. Mainly because he quit, and neutral countries dont remain in the alliances. So no, I'm not allied with Netherlands.
And before you made a threat, an offer and a threat are two different things.
Oh, and it is true that GB would fall easily if France fell. Because that eliminates a powerful country, and the only way for you to beet Germany, is with both countries fighting them at the same time. It makes no sense when you ignore the invasions of your two closest allies, but then you all of a sudden back up a nation that you would be willing to invade in the first place.
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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 12:25:55 GMT -5
Well Britian may not have france, but he has other powerful countries. Ottomans, Russia, Japan, Austria Hungry and then us little balkan nations that arn't so powerful.
The thing is this, in real life, it wasn't just Germany in the Central powers. There was more nations. Austria, Germany, Ottoamans. Those made up the grand core against the allied nations of France, Italy and Britian. Yes the allies did have other nations but they where to small and weak.
But, I this game, four of those large nations don't have any alliances with you. If anything will go against you. As I said before Germany is indager of standing alone.
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Post by Greece on Oct 15, 2004 12:28:26 GMT -5
On the other side thou, you got even more of our friends, Spain and Portugal. Your in danger of having a five to six front war. Your areas in Africa are surrounded by British allies not to forget Japan is helping us in africa. I'm not saying that you cannot win. Because you can. But, that this war is anybodies war.
Also, that thinking came AFTER the fall of Russia to communism. Somthing that hasn't even started to begain to happen. You are on a multi-front war. As Britian was smart and pulled in other countries to fill in the place of France.
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Post by Germany on Oct 15, 2004 12:32:45 GMT -5
Well Britian may not have france, but he has other powerful countries. Ottomans, Russia, Japan, Austria Hungry and then us little balkan nations that arn't so powerful. The thing is this, in real life, it wasn't just Germany in the Central powers. There was more nations. Austria, Germany, Ottoamans. Those made up the grand core against the allied nations of France, Italy and Britian. Yes the allies did have other nations but they where to small and weak. But, I this game, four of those large nations don't have any alliances with you. If anything will go against you. As I said before Germany is indager of standing alone. OOC: Well out of the two nations you listed (Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary) really the only thing that would hurt me slightly is the loss of Austria Hungary as an ally. Mainly because he's right by me. But the loss of Austria-Hungary as an ally, is made up by Serbia, Rumania, and most of all; the United States. Which over all, puts me with more of an advantage than the RL German Empire had.
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