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Post by Germany on Oct 19, 2004 14:49:52 GMT -5
OOC: You also need a hell of a lot of money, and man power that Greece does not have. I still think your navy is a bit exagerated for Greece at this point in time. But adding 24 more destroyers was just the last straw. Reallistically, you wouldn't be able to do half of that stuff you listed. Esspecially that long trench and defensive line. You'd be able to build it over time, a great length of time, but not as quickly as you expected. I dont think you understand that greece is a 3rd world nation.
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Post by Greece on Oct 19, 2004 14:54:41 GMT -5
OOC: You also need a hell of a lot of money, and man power that Greece does not have. I still think your navy is a bit exagerated for Greece at this point in time. But adding 24 more destroyers was just the last straw. I said I was building, never manning. A lot of peoples forces are an exaterations. Plus none of my projects on a scale this size are ever completed. With 3 ship yards, that would take years. The armored cars stopped at about 15 completed. Plus, people have built longer fortifications then Serbia/Greek boarder. Germans did it in WW2.
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Post by Germany on Oct 19, 2004 14:58:49 GMT -5
OOC: Who's? Doesn't matter, it's a little thing that Greece doesn't have; money. Also by man power; I ment logistical man power. The way you're going right now can only be done by a very industrialized country, like Great Britain. Well the way you worded it, it sounded like you were building all of this stuff because there is war about to spark in Europe, so you're building up to fight that war. But none of this stuff would ever be close to being done before a war starts. There's a very large difference between Germany and Greece.
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Post by Greece on Oct 19, 2004 15:02:10 GMT -5
OOC: Who's? Doesn't matter, it's a little thing that Greece doesn't have; money. Also by man power; I ment logistical man power. The way you're going right now can only be done by a very industrialized country, like Great Britain. Well the way you worded it, it sounded like you were building all of this stuff because there is war about to spark in Europe, so you're building up to fight that war. But none of this stuff would ever be close to being done before a war starts. Most of it is just so my economy would look better. You forgot, my industrial power isn't just Greece anymore. I have Indochina and have made more money off of other stuff. I have reasources in the form of iron, coal and other stuff coming in. I made a lot of money off of capturing weopens of my enamy. Most of the ships won't be built it's just a scame. You want unrealistic, I went to you within the first few days of the game about Bulgeria's military. he had fewer then 4 million yet he has a huge military, easily over a million.
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Post by Germany on Oct 19, 2004 15:10:54 GMT -5
Most of it is just so my economy would look better. You forgot, my industrial power isn't just Greece anymore. I have Indochina and have made more money off of other stuff. I have reasources in the form of iron, coal and other stuff coming in. I made a lot of money off of capturing weopens of my enamy. Most of the ships won't be built it's just a scame. You want unrealistic, I went to you within the first few days of the game about Bulgeria's military. he had fewer then 4 million yet he has a huge military. OOC: Indochina is 3rd world too. Its probably even worse than Greece and annexing it would worsen the Greek economy rather than boost it. For example; when the Berlin Wall fell and Germany united, the West Germans took a large burden in trying to keep the economy stable when East Germany united with the West. East Germany was very poor and over the years of a united Germany; the German economy started to go down and they're still trying to level the economy throughout Germany. A lot of Germans even want the wall to go back up. Oh, and Bulgaria's population is 4.6 million. But I'll check out his military.
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Post by Greece on Oct 19, 2004 15:14:44 GMT -5
OOC: Indochina is 3rd world too. Its probably even worse than Greece and annexing it would worsen the Greek economy rather than boost it. For example; when the Berlin Wall fell and Germany united, the West Germans took a large burden in trying to keep the economy stable when East Germany united with the West. East Germany was very poor and over the years of a united Germany; the German economy started to go down and they're still trying to level the economy throughout Germany. A lot of Germans even want the wall to go back up. Oh, and Bulgaria's population is 4.6 million. But I'll check out his military. You are right. Indochina too did not have musc in the ways of industry and had a pretty poor economy. But, wouldn't Mexico being annexed hurt the United States too? Yeah, the 24 destroyer thing is a trick to try to motivate my workers. I doubt that more then 2 will be built.
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Post by Germany on Oct 19, 2004 15:19:16 GMT -5
You are right. Indochina too did not have musc in the ways of industry and had a pretty poor economy. But, wouldn't Mexico being annexed hurt the United States too? Yeah, the 24 destroyer thing is a trick to try to motivate my workers. I doubt that more then 2 will be built. OOC: That is the thing; the United States never annexed Mexico, Mexico is just an American colony. He doesn't plan on annexing Mexico untill it's economy betters over many years. Oh, and about Bulgaria; I did a little math, and yes his armed forces are way too big. His Infantry itself is about 13% of the population. Way too big. Then you have the navy, logistics, ect. Bulgaria; you really need to reduce the numbers man.
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Post by Greece on Oct 19, 2004 15:23:43 GMT -5
Indochina, is being told that we are just setting up their government. While we take a large percent of profits from all of their exports, taxs and the like. It's a great sceme. They think they will be soverign in 6 years. In that time, we have several million in profits.
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Post by Germany on Oct 19, 2004 15:29:43 GMT -5
Indochina, is being told that we are just setting up their government. While we take a large percent of profits from all of their exports, taxs and the like. It's a great sceme. They think they will be soverign in 6 years. In that time, we have several million in profits. OOC: That would only work for about a couple of weeks. After a while of taking the profits from Indochina's trade, the economy will go to hell in Indochina because funding in Indochina will come to a halt. Countries will stop trade and stop investing in Indochina and the population there will die out because they have no water, food, electricity, ect.
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Post by Greece on Oct 19, 2004 15:34:05 GMT -5
OCC: Cut my navy a little bit along with my army. I think they are a good size now. I was joking about taking a llarge percent it was about 2 percent. I used the rest in to all the programs that are going on. They should actually have soverignty in about 3 years.
Money was made primarly from clear cutting several peices of land with Indochina natives and then shipping the wood back to Greece. There it was cut in to boards and sold. Also with some other projects but, we did help them didn't we?
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Post by Greece on Oct 20, 2004 17:45:30 GMT -5
The Greek Prime Minister sits down with his advisors
"Alright boys" he starts "We need to up our airpower, pull the destroyers to be built down to 3. Then start the construction of 25 planes. Make 5 french desighns and 20 Italian designed. Take the steel we stockpiled and put it in to use to build a rail line. From Athens in to the mountains to the Bulgerian boarder and branch off to the Serbian boarder. This will create a fast route for men and reasources. Liquadate the old military rifles and revolvers we captured from Italy, Japan and the French by selling them to gunstores and African Gurilla bands. Sell the contracting of the french recon planes to a dummy private corporation set up by us. This way we can use our resources and private money to build recon planes. Do the same with the French revolvers so that we can use them for our poilts and officers along with export to other nations. I need 25 more crates of ammo. I am ashamed that you are not working at the most efficent production. We need to clear cut another whole 12 acres of forest from Indochina. The lighter wood will go to building the planes as the stronger wood will be sent to lumber mills. This is important, we need that wood for our activities. We have used Indochina as a way to gain illegal money. Now we must put that money to work."
edit: OCC: 3 in a game time day. This is from about 8 factories that specialize in certain parts. The parts are assembled in 3 other places and that will take a day for them to be assembled. With 6 precut planes going to afganastans this makes 12 in a real life day for a while. Constant set backs will make this less then the 3 a day.
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Post by Greece on Oct 22, 2004 16:49:15 GMT -5
We will now start building a whole new air squadrant using our new planes. These will completed in 6 weeks, the 900 men that where originaly pulled from the infentry now is 850. Some will start pilot trainning and the others will be be stuck on navy duty. In Indochina, we are creating a few more division of Regulars to defend several cities. These are not full divisions. We are also melting down the peices of the Japanese ships and either reuse of salvagable peices.
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Post by Greece on Oct 28, 2004 19:53:07 GMT -5
Squadrants complete.
The Greek airforce is now do practice runs on a practice range 20 miles from athens. There are large wooden and medal targets that they fly down and straff with their machineguns. This is a great exercide, the 400 remaning soldiers that where not stuck in to Naval units are being moved to go through an extensive Rifle trainning program and are issued Lee Enfields with scopes and bynets.
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Post by Greece on Oct 30, 2004 18:58:58 GMT -5
The Greek Naval of 3 Destroyers that are semi complete are having some of the plating put on them. This plating happens to be from some of the Sunk Japanese ships salvaged by the Greeks in Indochina. Airplane building is cut from so that we can finish these three destroyers.
We are asking for 900 more men to join our army. This would give the whole armed forces a grand total of 300,000. Which was the peak of our army during the 2nd Balkin war. Our army will be at the maxium.
The men will be split in to two groups 450 will be stuck in the navy out of that 50 will go in to the airforce. The army will take another 450 and that will be split with 50 in the airforce.
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Post by Greece on Oct 31, 2004 17:24:25 GMT -5
The Riverines in Loas are being Given over to the Indochinese armies. The Greeks are being shipped home to take duty on Sea vessles. These Seamen are about 90 in numbers and will be given the next destroyer leaving port.
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