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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 17:34:56 GMT -5
OOC: Well you telling people to ignore me is nice cause evidently Bulgarias ignoring what you say in return. Youve been most definitely owned on Serbia mobilizing 200,000 (those godmoding bastards used 700,000!) and me building 20,000 guns over the course of RL months (with 150 factories dedicated to the small arms industry : Sparta- any way you cut it I have 380,000 troops there with 460,000 more troops there by tommorow. Not to mention my entire tank force. Germany did in fact have a "talk" with me and I more or less won after an about an hour of circular arguements (he changed his opinion from 'no' to deciding to let me and netherlands argue it out lol) IC: Defensive positions are being made 10 miles behind the previous front with light 76mm guns to be used against tanks.
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 17:39:57 GMT -5
OOC: Simple, if Bulgaria chooses to ignore me, than Italy and Sparta will play it out that their assault succeeded, getting us no where. Again, 20,000 rifles over the course of RP months? First off, they aren't ordinary rifles, there's a reason why only 300 were made. 150 factories is nothing, considering that Germany had over a thousand.
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Post by Germany on Sept 29, 2004 17:39:58 GMT -5
OOC: Yes but Russia, I did about 10 minutes of googling and came to a conclusion; It was the relative "backwardness" of Russia and their industry which ended up foiling and preventing production of advanced vehicles such as tanks. Designs were put forth, some workable, some fanciful but, in the end, the lack of knowledge in the assembly and tooling of such machines ended promising ideas. It wasn't until the 1920s did the Russians begin to learn, adapt, adopt, and then produce their own tanks and vehicles which, ultimately, would come to be some of the best tanks to be fielded in the years which followed, wartime and peacetime.
Besides, what types of tanks are you using right now?(front line)
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 17:43:30 GMT -5
OOC: For which reason I dumped $10 bil into fixing this problem. Worst case scenario I could have some shipyards build them. Also the 300, wherever it was, is a typo, it was 3,000 being built at only a couple factories. The 150 factories are only small arms, there are more dedicated to other things
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 17:45:56 GMT -5
OOC: Russia doesn't have 10 billion at this time to just throw it away into industrialize, besides, the Tsar was never interested in such a thing. For example, read the alternate history series, American Empire. In it, the Tsar wins the revolution and never industrializes, WWII comes around and Russia has about the same industry that it had in WWI.
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 17:51:21 GMT -5
OOC: Actually the Tsar did do things like build the Trans-Siberian railway, and he did quite a bit of industrialization with the navy. Consider the success of the tank in the Far East to have persuaded me (that fucktard could be persuaded by anyone to do anything in 2 seconds). RL Russia didnt have $10 bil but I sold badly overpriced weapons to various idiots so there ya go.
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 17:56:58 GMT -5
OOC: See, that's the thing. There would be no tanks in the far east, because Russia never would have experimented with tanks in the first place.
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 18:00:12 GMT -5
OOC: I dont really give two flying fucks about what russia would or would not do in the first place. By your logic for me not mobilizing 12 million cannon fodder troops is also godmoded, not to mention the alliances.
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Post by Sparta on Sept 29, 2004 18:01:48 GMT -5
OOC: Well you telling people to ignore me is nice cause evidently Bulgarias ignoring what you say in return. Youve been most definitely owned on Serbia mobilizing 200,000 (those godmoding bastards used 700,000!) and me building 20,000 guns over the course of RL months (with 150 factories dedicated to the small arms industry : Sparta- any way you cut it I have 380,000 troops there with 460,000 more troops there by tommorow. Not to mention my entire tank force. Germany did in fact have a "talk" with me and I more or less won after an about an hour of circular arguements (he changed his opinion from 'no' to deciding to let me and netherlands argue it out lol) IC: Defensive positions are being made 10 miles behind the previous front with light 76mm guns to be used against tanks. Italy is posting the main assualts. You where not at the buulgerian defensive lines when they where breached. Your troops are no where near combat. Younever decleared war till after the battle. Move your troops up! Then they can fight. edit - Yell at Italy, he is posting the attacks. Yell at neitherlands because he is arguing with you. Keep me out of it, I am attacking retreating troops with planes and artillary, and calvary. Against Bulgeria not you. You have no troops to stop it either, we would have finished by the time you arrived.
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 18:04:30 GMT -5
OOC: By your logic for me not mobilizing 12 million cannon fodder troops is also godmoded, not to mention the alliances. OOC: Of course not, since 12 million cannon fodder infantry are no threat. However, thousands of tanks/planes and troops with assault rifles is godmodding.
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 18:04:45 GMT -5
OOC: 2 days of bombardment isnt much by ww1 standard.
If they havent seen a tank theyd know tanks exists because of my prototypes being known to Bulgaria and could easily do what the germans did at cambrai (the first time they saw tanks too)- concentrate artillery and blow them to kingdome come.
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 18:06:04 GMT -5
OOC: Of course not, since 12 million cannon fodder infantry are no threat. However, thousands of tanks/planes and troops with assault rifles is godmodding. OOC: Its semi auto not full auto and not of a very complicated build. The problem is its sorta like M16A2 and needs to be kept clean to work right... As for the tanks and planes- theyre not godmoding and this has already been proven. Now youre just trying to say RL Russia wouldnt have built them- I dont know if it would, but I also dont care!
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 18:11:28 GMT -5
How has it been proven? Russia couldn't and wouldn't make tanks in WWI, there's almost no way it could have happened. They had the design, but that doesn't mean they would have made it. It's like a King Tiger for Germany in WWII, sure, they had the plans, they COULD make it, but it was extremely hard to do so, and in the end, it wasn't worth it.
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Post by Russia on Sept 29, 2004 18:19:20 GMT -5
OOC: RL Russia didnt seem to care too much about going past the feudal age though did it?
FFS I hardly have any similarities to RL Russia. I spent billions on industrialization, I can trade through the Bosporus and Baltic Sea (unless germany is blockading me which Im not aware of), and there is no revolution because the populace still ahs no war to be fed up about!
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Post by Netherlands on Sept 29, 2004 18:27:06 GMT -5
OOC: Do you really think that the revolution was only because Russia was at war? Like Italy said, it may not happen in 1917, but the revolution will come, eventually.
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